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drones to a green fleet, i expect similar policies to continue for my former colleague chuck hagel to be confirmed, hopefully as early as next week. for all these reasons i have long been a supporter of renewable fuels, and i encourage the further development of an industry that is important, both to our national security as well as to our farm economy. whether we're talking food or water or energy security, let me put it this way. in the future, more crops in the field can mean fewer soldiers in the field. at the same time, as important as our defense capabilities are, we also need to rebalance for the other free d's. the u.s. today spends more on defense than on diplomacy, democracy and developments all put together. meanwhile, in the past year, china has more than doubled its investment in developing new agricultural technologies. those are the kinds of farsighted policies that are enabling china to emerge as a world power, in which we, frankly, need to get back to. as we shift our focus and our resources towards smarter, more constructive forms of international interaction, it'
party was in trouble. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> michael: the senate is still wrangling over chuck hagel's confirmation for defense secretary, but this morning harry reid does in the have the 60 votes to overcome a republican filibuster. he needs five republican votes but so far he only has two, mike johanns of nebraska and thad cochrane of mississippi. so he took his colleagues to task in his own soft-spoken way. >> it's tragic that they've decided to filibuster this qualified nominee. it is really unfortunate. >> michael: you know, reid is of course not totally off the hook. he didn't push filibuster reform through earlier this year even though it looked like he had the chance to do so. but the ludicrous part of this whole thing is the reason why republicans are giving for opposing hagel is bengahzi. that this was a cover up after the ambassador was killed. they're alleging that chuck hagel was involved. not only is that a stretch but chuck hagel oversee something like this. they dignified the response. after both lindsey graham and john mccain said they were largely satisfied accordin
-- defense secretary nominee, chuck hagel responded to questions concerning past statements on israel, iran, and nuclear weapons. this portion of the hearing is three hours. cable satellite corp. 2013] >> good morning, everybody. the committee meets today to consider the nomination of former senator chuck hagel to be secretary of defense. before i begin, i want to first welcome senator inhofe as the new ranking republican on our committee, succeeding senator mccain. senator mccain has been a great partner over the past six years, and i thank him for all the work he has done to get bills enacted, his leadership on a host of issues, his support for the work of this committee, and for always keeping our hearings likely. -- lively. senator inhofe has shown his strong commitment to the national defense over his 20 years on this committee. and i know that we are going to work well together and continue the bipartisan tradition of the committee. we are also pleased to welcome the eight senators who are joining the committee this year, both of those who are new to the senate and those who are new t
. republicans launched a filibuster to stop the vote and former senator chuck hagel to serve in the president's cabinet. a new vote is scheduled in 11 days. what you think about the gop's efforts and mr. hagel 'snomination? nomination?s here are the numbers -- online.also find us send us a tweet @cspanwj. here are the headlines in the morning papers. the washington times -- this is the headline in the baltimore sun -- have line in "roll call -- the headline in "roll call" -- meredith shiner joins us. how unusual is it to have the president's pick for defense secretary block at this stage? guest: it has never happen before. a senate has never filibustered the president's pick for defense secretary. the most bizarre thing, and the thing that is most frustrating to people watching this outside washington, is that a former senator hagel is a former -- is a former republican. with 58 bouts, and the reason why it was 58 was because majority leader harry reid had to switch his vote to know to bring the vote back up again after the senate comes back from recess. you have a lot of republican senators
>> president obama has nominated chuck hagel to replacereplace leon panetta as e secretary. mr. hegel is a war veteran. he served in the senate until 2009. after his senate career, he became part of a foreign-policy think tank. at his confirmation hearing today, he had some back and forth with former colleagues, including senator john mccain. that exchange is about an hour and a half into the hearing. later, we will get your thoughts about the nomination and hearing on our phone lines at 11:00 p.m. eastern, 8:00 pacific. carl levin chairs the armed services committee and makes the opening statement. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> good morning, everybody. the committee meets today to consider the nomination of former senator chuck hagel to be secretary of defense. before i begin, i want to first welcome senator inhofe as the new ranking republican on our committee, succeeding senator mccain. senator mccain has been a great partner over the past six years, and i thank him for all the work he has
currency war? we're going have to talk about that all next up. >>> later in the show, is chuck hagel's nomination going down in flames? it's definitely frozen for now. hagel has yet to turn over the information of who his foreign funding sources were after he left the u.s. senate. that could kill him. we'll have the latest. and please don't forget, free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity. that includes lower spending and limited government. i'm larry kudlow. we'll be right back. ♪ get ready for a lot more of that new-plane smell. we're building the youngest, most modern fleet among the largest us airlines to ensure that you are more comfortable and connected than ever. we are becoming a new american. all right that's a fifth-floor probleok.. not in my house! ha ha ha! ha ha ha! no no no! not today! ha ha ha! ha ha ha! jimmy how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico? happier than dikembe mutumbo blocking a shot. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or mor . welcome back. we'll take a quick look at the stock mark
! >>> the posturing around chuck hagel's nomination for a defense secretary, well, it's getting murkier by the minute. are republicans gearing up to deny an up or down vote for the pentagon kick before the weekend? >>> president obama's road show policy push hits atlanta today and we'll take a deep dive into the options and odds of the president having to fall back on executive actions, because his policies won't go anywhere in congress. >>> and the republican ruckus over karl rove's conservative counter-strategy is reaching a bit of a fever pitch. but is the core of this fight really about the messengers or the message itself? >> good morning from washington and happy valentine's day. it's thursday, february 14th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. let's get right to my first reads of the morning. it may be valentine's day, but not a lot of love for chuck hagel. next week a nato meeting of defense ministers is scheduled in brussels. but given the way chuck hagel's nomination is going, it's possible the u.s. may not have a new defense secretary there or leon panetta may be forced to g
, back in d.c., his nominee for secretary of defense chuck hagel is at the center of a senate showdown. even senator john mccain now backing away from his no filibuster stance of weeks past. the majority leader harry reid took to the floor of the last hour to make this impassioned plea. >> in less than two hours, our country will be without a secretary of defense. there is never in the history of the country been a filibuster of a defense secretary nominee. never. but it's shocking that my republican colleagues would leave the nation without a fully empowered secretary of defense. >> debate on chuck hagel is not over. i am going to fight the idea of jamming somebody through. i'm going to hit you and keep hitting you. >> every republican there voted against moving the hagel nomination out of committee. there has to be a reason for that. why is it we're having to rush in to the confirmation. >> so just two days after the president's call to action to congress on gun control, nra ceo wayne lapierre is expected to give his decision on the state of the union tonight. hold on to your hats, i
. >> debate on chuck hagel is not over. i am going to fight the idea of jamming somebody through. i'm going to hit you and keep hitting you. >> every republican there voted against moving the hagel nomination out of committee. there has to be a reason for that. why is it we're having to rush in to the confirmation. >> so just two days after the president's call to action to congress on gun control, nra ceo wayne lapierre is expected to give his decision on the state of the union tonight. hold on to your hats, it's going to be a doozy. he writes hurricanes, tornadoes, riots, terrorists, gangs, lone criminals, these are perils we are sure to face, not just maybe, it's not paranoia to buy a gun, it's survival. >> the republican party, if they were smart, their leaders today would condemn it, but they're not smart, they're scared. they're going to get hammered in future elections if they allow this clown to continue to lead them around by their nose. >> joining me now to talk more is wyoming's republican senator john barrasso also a member of the gop leadership team and chair of the republican
comment. >>> a history-making move, senate republicans blocked chuck hagel from becoming the newest defense secretary for at least two more weeks. cnn's chief congressional correspondent dana bash has more for you. >> on this vote the yeas are 58, the nays are 40. >> reporter: it was a moment for the history books. >> the motion is not agreed to. >> reporter: chuck hagel fell short of the 60 votes needed to break a gop filibuster of his nomination to be defense secretary. only four republicans supported their former senate gop colleague. >> the filibuster of senator hagel's confirmation is unprecedented, i repeat, not a single nominee for secretary of defense ever in the history of our country has been filibustered, never, ever. >> reporter: republicans argued they need more time saying hagel is too controversial to be confirmed only days after getting through committee on a party line vote. >> the president has a right to appoint people in whom he has confidence, but we have a constitutional responsibility to consider the nominee. a number of the republican senators have questions.
republican vote short of ending the 39-day trial of chuck hagel. four republicans, senators thad cochran, susan collins, mike johanns and lisa murkowski broke ranks to join the democrats to vote for ending the debate over hagel and hold a vote on his confirmation. that left harry reid with just 59 of the 60 votes needed to move on to confirmation marking the first ever successful filibuster of a cabinet nominee. because of the coming senate recess, the next chance to confirm hagel will be the last week of february. in the meantime, republicans continued to find new reasons to justify they are obstruction. senator john mccain's latest gripe is personal. >> there's a lot of ill will towards senator hagel because when he was republican, he attacked president bush mercilessly. at one point said he was the worst president since herbert hoover, said that the surge was the worst blunder since the vietnam war, which is nonsense. and was very amti his own party and his own people. people don't forget that. >> people also don't forget that years after hagel's republican herecy, john mccane said th
. >>> right now on draen mitchell reports, hagel on hold. the defense nominee can't break that republican filibuster. now he won't be confirmed medical the senate returns from a week-long recess. >> the republican minority m senate seem to think that the rule now is that you have to have 60 votes for everything. well, that's not the rule. it's just unfortunate that this kind of politics intrudes at a time when i'm still presiding over a war in afghanistan. >> and is john mccain now conceding this is all a grudge match? >> there's a lot of ill will towards senator hagel because when he was a republican, he attacked president bush mercilessly, at one point said he was the worst president since herbert hoover, said that the surge was the worst blunder sense the vietnam war, which is nonsense, and was very anti his own party and people. people don't forget that. >> the heroes of newtown. president obama pos thumously awards the medal to six people who died while rescuing the children. >> dawn hotsprung and mary serlach, vicky solo, lauren russo, rachel devino, ann marie murphy. they gave thei
hagel's critics. >> that's pretty obvious that the political knives were out for chuck hagel. >> that's what you think it was? it was totally partisan? >> what disappointed me is they talked a lot about past quotes, but what about what a secretary of defense is confronting today? what about the war in afghanistan? what about the war on terrorism? what about the budget sequester? >> and baltimore parties all night after the ravens' victory over the 49ers. the highest rated super bowl in history produced enough power for beyonce, but what triggered that 34 minute blackout? >> as the nfl works feverishly to get the power back on. we have a moment as the players now beginning to realize this may be a little bit of a delay as different players are setting out on the field starting to stretch, starting to stay loose. really as bewilledered as the rest of the crowd here. >> did brotherly love prevail over sibling rivalry? >> going against these years, you had a feeling he would come roaring back. the team reflects his permit. they came roaring back. they have so much character. they're amazi
. there's the group that's really essentially anti-hagel that is hoping something will happen. 1346 this is about that under current of not believing in their view that hagel is the right man for the job, but they know when they come back it is more than likely that he will get that hurdle passed and already has 57 committed yeses, more than enough to put him in the job. >> as the time continues, it's a drip, drip, drip process. they keep trying to tag him for benghazi and get that letter that they got yesterday while we were on the air from the white house lawyer on benghazi as to what the president did and what did he know, when did he know it, and did he go to bed while leon panetta was up all night? that just seems so extraneous. it's just using chuck hagel as hostage for the lerchlg because wasn't even around during benghazi. >> it certainly seems -- andrea, i guess i'm skeptical of the idea that in the week's time they really need time to review what chuck hagel has said in the past, his speeches. he know chuck hagel has said controversial things about iran and we know he has
thanks as always. >>> new on "meet the press," panetta gave his confirmation to chuck hagel. >> the political knives were out for chuck hagel. what disappointed me was that, you know, they talked a lot about past quotes. what about what a secretary of defense is confronting today? >> joining me now is democratic senator richard bloomen that will. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> will you vote in favor of the nomination? >> i will vote in favor of chuck hagel. it was a tough, gruelling hearing. but, i believe that on the key question, is he qualified to be the secretary of defense, he established he is a combat veteran who gave his life. clearly a man of statute, cares about men and women in uniform and veterans. on the important questions going forward. he said he has shown that he has the qualifications to guide the department of defense in this very challenging period when budget cutbacks and other challenges are going to be at the forefront. >> yours was one of the more civil direct questionings of chuck hagel. you talked about veteran's issues, prosecuting sec
the nomination of chuck hagel as they threaten to do. they did it successfully etted yesterday for the time being. but first, this is the full court press. >> om this friday, other headlines making news, president obama did what any good man would do for valentine's day. took his wife out to dinner. >> i thought you didn't celebrate valentine's day. >> not any good man except myself. i had franks and beans on the couch in front of the t.v. f it was perfect. i love it. a little mustard. >> come on. get with your thing here? >> what? he asked. >> bill: i don't want to hear about franks and beans i want to hear about obama and where did they go for dinner? >> i am about to tell you if you stop interrupting me. this is my two minutes. >> bill: oh oh. this show. >> we want to critically acclaimed jose andre's mini bar. it only takes six people per seating, not too far from the white house. no word on what they ate yet, but 20-course meals there. >> mini. >> they are mini plates. 20 of them. >> it might be the most exclusive restaurant in washington, d.c. >
during the hearings of hillary clinton and even chuck hagel. >> heather: so not iminformed responses. i'll toss this question to you. they did indict the department of state, this is a quote, with shocking irresponsibility to protect american personnel at benghazi. the fact is the intelligence community and the department of state, they were sharing reports mostly provided by the c.i.a. for months that were outlining the growing threat in benghazi and, indeed, it was focused on western influence particularly the u.s. those requests early on for additional security prior to the attack went unanswered. you are satisfied with that response from panetta? >> yeah, i think what is being lost is the fact there has been an accountability review of all of this. they have laid out a number of recommendations. thef been agreed to by hillary clinton, by the president, by a number of people. we're not really at this point getting a lot new information. what is being lost in the context lindsay graham's request to have another hearing with will have papa. it's supposed -- leon panetta. there is a lot
secretary chuck hagel, he does have majority support in the senate. what happened today is that a minority of that body, the republicans, decided that they were going to block him anyway. never happened before. they filibustered a cabinet nomination. in the past, over the years there have been a couple of token efforts at maybe doing this in the past that got a handful of votes. didn't actually slow down or stop anything. but the minority actually blocking the nomination, that is a whole new thing. this is a fresh hell in american politics. and that is why before today, even republican senators said it would be nuts to do this. before today these senators, these republicans for example all said yeah, listen. i might be opposed to chuck hagel for defense. i might vote no on his nomination, but i'm not going to blow up 220-something years of precedent and filibuster the guy. i'm not going to block there being a vote on him. we've never done that before. republican senators john mccain, roy blunt, roger wicker, susan collins, lisa mer cow ski, all of these said before today that they might vo
emanuel on what is holding up chuck hagel. >> they successfully delayed chuck hagel's controversial nomination as secretary of defense. late today, procedural vote failed after senator john mccain had made the case for waiting until after next week's recess. >> i think that is a sufficient period of time to get answers to outstanding questions and i think that senator hagel after that period of time deserves a cloture vote and a uvote on his. >> i have valued your thoughts and your contributions. i think most all of us in public office feel that way. >> among questions, speeches like to one in june 13, 2008, before the arab american antidiscrimination committee that hagel did not disclose to armed services committee. earlier they blasted republicans for holding up hagel's nomination to lead the pentagon. >> it's shocking that my republican colleagues would leave the nation would a fully empowered secretary of defense. during all the things we have going on in the world, including a war. >> but panetta isn't leaving yet. and 60-vote requirement is not unusual, say republicans and rei
. committee vote on chuck hagel could come as early as this week. is he a former nebraska senator. coming off that grilling on capitol hill. tonight, new criticism of his performance from both key republicans and democrats, including the president's former press secretary robert gibbs. disconcerting thing for anybody that watched it he seemed unprepared on the questions that quite frankly he knew was coming. >> but members of the obama administration including current defense secretary leon panetta are defending hagel. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff general martin dempsey thinks very highly of hagel and confident about his abilities after speaking to him in private. >> i'm not going to grade his homework. i will say in my conversations with him he was well prepared, articulate, concise. >> you are confident that he can do the job? >> i'm not going to speak about confidence. he could be my boss. >> harris: steve centanni live with the news from d.c. right now steve, his supporters trying to stem the tide against hagel, what are they saying? >> well, leon panetta the current defense secr
'll attempt to block the nominations of chuck hagel and john brennan, accusing the white house of stone walling. he wants to know what the president was doing at the time of the september attack on the u.s. consulate in libya that killed four americans. >>> i don't think we should allow brennan to go forward for the c.i.a. director ship, hagel to be confirmed to secretary of defense until the white house gives an accounting. did the president pick up the phone and call anyone to help. >> with his take on benghazi, the hagel brennan confirmation and looming sequester is richard bloomen tholl. i trust the weather's not too bad where you are. >> the roads are building cleared and people ought to shovel now, as you have suggested, rather than waiting, but we're undigging, digging out. and it's winter, it's new england. it's snow and we're dealing with it. >> i grew up in canada so i know about snow. >> let me go to what senator graham said on "face the nation" where he said he's going to do everything he can to block the nominations of john brennan and chuck hagel until and unless the presi
. >> ifill: then, we get the latest on the senate vote to confirm former senator chuck hagel as the next secretary of defense. >> woodruff: ray suarez talks with marcia coyle about today's supreme court arguments over getting a d.n.a. sample from a suspect who was arrested but not convicted of a crime. >> ifill: special correspondent kira kay previews next week's presidential contest in kenya, where memories linger from the violence that followed the 2007 elections. >> we talk about people dead. i think if you count it over time and those who don't know it's probably around 2,000. massive, huge kills. we were on the brink of civil war. >> woodruff: and we close with a conversation with gloria steinem about the women's movement and the pbs documentary, "makers: women who make america." >> we have realized that a majority of americans fully agree that women can do what men can do but we haven't yet realized that men can do what women do. >> ifill: that's all ahead on tonight's newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the
. >> i don't think we should let brennan go forward for the cia directorship and hagel to be confirmed until the white house gives us an accounting. >> is it fair to say you are leaning against voting for him. >> that would be fair. >> maybe that's why we haven't heard the full story about benghazi. >> allow myself to introduce myself. >> keep in mind, a lot of the sources are spies and for the most part spies don't like their names used. >> my name is richie cunningham. ♪ how you like me now ♪ how you like me now ♪ remember the time >> good afternoon, and we start in washington where we can observe two very different ways in which we might honor those who serve with this country's armed forces. first, the president led a medal of honor ceremony for staff sergeant clinton remache whose actions during an attack helped save the lives of dozens of his comrades. and then there is the concerted effort by republicans to deny another distinguished veteran from serving his country as secretary of defense. a senate committee scheduled to vote on the nomination of chuck hagel tomorrow. sen
on chuck hagel as secretary of defense until the white house provides more information on something that has nothing to do with chuck hagel. >> i am going to fight the idea of jamming somebody through until we get answers about what the president did personally when it came to the benghazi debacle. >> just to be clear, according to senator lindsey graham, a 38-day confirmation process is the ekwifl ens of jamming somebody through. hagel's confirmation was approved by the senate armed services committee on tuesday along party lines, but yesterday republicans blocked an up or down simple majority vote planned by harry reid, so tomorrow the majority leader has scheduled a cloture vote, or if we go to the rule video, the only procedure by which the senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter and thereby overcome a filibuster. the procedure requires 60 votes, so now democrats will need support from 60 senators just to overcome the filibuster and schedule a vote on chuck hagel. >> there has never in the history of the country been a filibuster of a def
senator chuck hagel to be the next secretary of defense. >> 12 days later, nothing, nothing has changed. senator hagel's exemplary record of service to his country remains untarnished. >> woodruff: in short, senate majority leader harry reid said, chuck hagel should have been confirmed before the president's day recess. at the time, the senate's 55 democrats could not get the 60 votes needed to end a republican filibuster against fellow republican hagel. democrat dick durbin of illinois condemned the g.o.p. opposition today. >> there's no question that there are some who bear some negative feelings torgd chuck hagel because of his independence and some of his votes in the past, even his support of president obama in the last presidential election. but this has been taken to a level that i never expected. >> woodruff: still mississippi's roger wicker and other republicans charged again that hagel is too willing to compromise with iran. and too willing to criticize israel. >> either we should disregard everything that the senator has said and stood for as merely hyperbole or this is a nom
the man the president picked to succeed him, former nebraska senator chuck hagel telling me members of the armed services committee passed up the opportunity for more important questions in order to launch partisan attacks. >> it's pretty obvious that the political knives were out for chuck hagel. >> that's what you think it was. it was totally partisan? >> what disappointed me, they talked about past quotes. what about the war in afghanist afghanistan, the war on terrorism and the budger sequester. >> despite his performance, hagel's confirmation is looking more likely after a second republican told "the lincoln journal star" saying "he will stand side by side with our allies, be firm with our enemies and use good judgment." the president from former obama white house press secretary robert gibbs on "meet the press" said the following. >> the disconcerting thing obviously for anybody that watched, he seemed unimpressive and unprepared on the questions he quite frankly he knew was coming. >> gibbs trying to soften his criticism, saying secretary tim geithner turned his way around. h
secretary leon panetta came out in support of chuck hagel. president obama's choice for defense secretary. >> what you've heard from republicans thus far has been, why -- where is the calvary in all of this, why didn't the military over the course of what we've been told was a seven-hour incident if you can call it an incident. why over the course of seven hours was there not a strike team of some sort that could be put into benghazi to try to help out. on the show today, i had not just leon panetta, but as well the chairman of the joint chiefs, martin dempsey, and i asked them that very question, like why wouldn't you on 9/11, have troops sort of ready? and dempsey said to me, we did, the minute we knew the incident happened, the secretary of defense said, move some troops, scramble some troops, get them ready, let us know what their transit time would be. that's where it ended. i said, why didn't you just move them at that moment when you knew there was trouble. here's what dempsey said. >> we can't be a replacement. it was 9/11 elsewhere in the world not just in libya. >> that's pretty
-span. >> coming up tonight, the senate approved chuck hagel to be that next defense secretary. after that, republican leaders spoke of the upcoming budget cuts, known as a sequestration. president obama is in newport news, virginia and talks about the effects of sequestration would have on them middle-class. -- on the middle class. the senate voted to confirm senator chuck hagel as the next defense secretary. the final vote was 58-41 with four republicans joining 52 democrats and two independents in voting aye. next, the 25 minute debate on the senate floor. >> it is now time for us to vote up or down on the nomination for many reasons. the nomination has been before us now inadequate time to get the information which our colleagues have asked for. there is also the looming fact of sequestration. we need to have a secretary of defense who is not only in office, but whose leadership is not in limbo, but is there. our troops need it. their families needed. our country needs it. we have 66,000 military arsenal in harms way in afghanistan. the president of afghanistan has directed the united
of defense in the meeting of world leaders. chuck hagel was supposed to be there and we'll let you know how the congressional haggling is playing out on the world stage. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. [ female announcer ] total effects user kim scott still looks amazing. but with kids growing up fast, fighting seven signs of aging gets harder. introducing total effects moisturizer plus serum. for the ninety-two practices, two proms, and one driving test yet to come. she'll need our most concentrated total effects ever. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food. and it's not a narco
senator from nebraska says he will support chuck hagel's nomination for defense secretary, saying that he earned the endorsement after testifying on the hill last week. he is the second republican to publicly back hagel. democrats have largely supported president obama's pick to follow outcomegoing secretary leon panetta. the new poll shows the federal government is not popular with the american public. a majority of americans thinks it threatens their personal rights and freedom. let's talk about it. david mercer and former rnc spokesperson is here for a fair and balanced debate about why everybody's so cranky. good to see you both. >> good tesee you. >> so now, we believe it's the first time in the history of the poll who have a majority of american who is say they are not happy with the federal government. >> in the poll, if you look deep into it, it says outright that conservative republicans who in 2010 had a 62%... feeling of being threatened by the government, now it's up to 76%. so i think that's largely driving this new number that we are seeing in the poll, which is to say, what
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